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[dirtstudent2]

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Edited by dirtstudent2, 20 February 2019 - 02:05 PM.

[Racer17L]

the pittsburgher will not be running penn/ohio cars this year.they will be the ppms/rush pro stocks as per sch.

Understood I was speaking to big races/non weekly shows.

For instance the week before the ELM will be Penn Ohio rules and open tires for the tune up race.

[IMPERIALTIRE11]

so is it your brothers fault..our teams fault..or whoever else that didn't complain,just tried to keep up by whatever means possible?..that now we..the people who have supported that shithole should have to face a penalty or even sell off our hard earned equipment for less than half what we have in it to give "the other guys" who dream of moving up,or the guys who race Lernerville a chance?

the issue is the management who let it go on,let it get out of hand and now are paying the penalty by less teams,cars and fans..they sure got fat and happy off their decisions,its us that are skipping meals to try to compete.

the whole deal makes me sick to my stomach...lol..geez!

Again i ask what was wrong with a cubic inch limit? Why do you need a 421 or a 430 in a (street stock , pro stock. sportsman, E-mod for that matter )   Racers are their worst enemies " give us big tires , give us big engines "  Then "this is super expensive"      That's why there is a late model division.  JMO

[DavyLee2]

Again i ask what was wrong with a cubic inch limit? Why do you need a 421 or a 430 in a (street stock , pro stock. sportsman, E-mod for that matter )   Racers are their worst enemies " give us big tires , give us big engines "  Then "this is super expensive"      That's why there is a late model division.  JMO

Let me add
and make the guys with the 350 weigh as much as us after all we deserve it because we spent 20 grand on our motors !!

[dirtstudent2]

Again i ask what was wrong with a cubic inch limit? Why do you need a 421 or a 430 in a (street stock , pro stock. sportsman, E-mod for that matter )   Racers are their worst enemies " give us big tires , give us big engines "  Then "this is super expensive"      That's why there is a late model division.  JMO

 

It's the same as gokart racing.  The expense is about buying your little Johnny, Suzie or yourself a trophy.  It's about if you can't compete at the top level you piss and moan or move to a place where you feel your more likely to buy your little Johnny, Suzie or yourself a trophy.   That's why racing is polluted with so many classes.  That's why promoters are able to suck the life out of established local racing with serieses and speck(crate) racing.  It nets out to your not good enough or don't have the money to win in established venues you move to where you have a chance.  You do it instead of having to run towards the back or middle of established classes because you don't have the funds or skill to run up front. 

 

Then all we read and here about is how "close" and "good" the racing is and how racing has gone down hill because of car counts.  The car counts are still there, Its just been split into too many small pieces.  It's been split up by racers trying to buy trophies they can afford and promoters feasting off those trying to buy a trophy.   

[DavyLee2]

The car counts are Not ther
America has been fleeced of most of its middle class money the last 39 years
But
The Penn Ohio was advertised as the greatest thing for stock cars ever ... and it is simply because of just a few races But
It included ( with weight) a group of people with a 350 Chevy or 351 ford or even a 360 mopar
But they decided to kick those people in the gut did the sake of the money
And thats a dam shame
Again
Like a start and park team in NASCAR
They were glad to be outgunned every time until the slickbtrack showed up and took away the money
But they have folded to the powers of the same old deal
The money
JMExperience

[blue by you]

The car counts are Not ther
America has been fleeced of most of its middle class money the last 39 years
But
The Penn Ohio was advertised as the greatest thing for stock cars ever ... and it is simply because of just a few races But
It included ( with weight) a group of people with a 350 Chevy or 351 ford or even a 360 mopar
But they decided to kick those people in the gut did the sake of the money
And thats a dam shame
Again
Like a start and park team in NASCAR
They were glad to be outgunned every time until the slickbtrack showed up and took away the money
But they have folded to the powers of the same old deal
The money
JMExperience

that makes absolutely no sence

[DavyLee2]

that makes absolutely no sence

What you said does make sense
You base gears on track shape ....
Your know nothing about the penn Ohio rules
And how they affect certain people
So ya
What you said makes sense

[DavyLee2]

Blue you don’t understand why a start and park team exists in mascar either
A celebration of ignorance
It’s a virtue in today’s America
So you got that going for ya

[jo73]

HUH ??? I'll betcha guys running the penn Ohio deal are spending a whole lot less than guys that have to go to the tire trailer, motor guy of his choice or crate, and everything else that bolts on.

[kaw1109]

And this is why mercer is not running any pro stock class, to much drama for track Packers,just a bunch of pre Madonna's worrying about not a dam thing anyone is gonna change.

[racer67x]

Again i ask what was wrong with a cubic inch limit? Why do you need a 421 or a 430 in a (street stock , pro stock. sportsman, E-mod for that matter )   Racers are their worst enemies " give us big tires , give us big engines "  Then "this is super expensive"      That's why there is a late model division.  JMO

believe me..I don't like the way things have gone either,its gotten way to expensive..we didn't write the rules,all we have done is try to keep up with the changes because we still have the desire to race
and still love the track.

hard to imagine the class we started in 30 years ago has morphed into this..the Pure Stock racing was great during the 90's rule wise..but like everything else its gotten out of hand.

[jo73]

Right now if a guy wants to get in racing I believe the penn Ohio deal is the best deal out there. Everyone has seen what a competitive crate late model costs are. The mods and sprints are cheaper. But, the parts to bolt on those cars are still what you pay for a top dollar team, probably more. And what kind of purse do they race for ? Peanuts. Ole grimmy, keeps stuffing her pockets and the racer keeps getting screwed.

[DavyLee2]

Penn Ohio is a great series and track packers is right
The stands at Sharon last year to watch 95 cars try and win 10 grand was amazing and a great success by any standard !
But from my angle there was a nitch section of the rules to target and believe there was a chance to compete with stuff that was already on the shelf
But somehow that nitch got squashed so the desire is not as great and Im sure Im not the only one to have that opinion

[DavyLee2]

Joe
Your right !
Scrape the wall in a latemodel your looking at 1200 bucks
Where a stock car Fischer body chassis
You can get 4 new wheels and tires and still fix the spindle and A arms compared to them
And those special Crate Headers are 2 grand etc

[dirtracer0]

Right now if a guy wants to get in racing I believe the penn Ohio deal is the best deal out there. Everyone has seen what a competitive crate late model costs are. The mods and sprints are cheaper. But, the parts to bolt on those cars are still what you pay for a top dollar team, probably more. And what kind of purse do they race for ? Peanuts. Ole grimmy, keeps stuffing her pockets and the racer keeps getting screwed.

 

i choose to get into racing this year and thats is the very reason why we went with a penn ohio car. I mean guys running a competive crate im sure could easily have more in there car and be racing for less money. Im not sure why guys are saying the penn ohio series is a bad deal. I mean somebody correct me if im wrong but havent the car counts/members been going up yearly? the sharon 10k race also helped out the series aswell the stands were packed.

[jo73]

What I can't understand is why more tracks are not jumping at the chance to get a penn/ohio date. 96 cars and the place was packed. Vince's race at ppms. Payout a decent purse and it has been proven. They will come, and guess what, so will the fans. The concessions do well and it is a win win for all involved. Tell me about a crate race that has done that ? The way things are today with costs I wish I was younger. I'd be willing to give it a try.

[Racer17L]

The $10K race had 81 cars, (more pre-entered and didn’t show) and the ELM had 52-58 cars the last 3 years. I agree I don’t know why more promoters aren’t jumping on the chance to have them as a headliner one night. The support is there for sure.

[bhhracing]

The $10K race had 81 cars, (more pre-entered and didn’t show) and the ELM had 52-58 cars the last 3 years. I agree I don’t know why more promoters aren’t jumping on the chance to have them as a headliner one night. The support is there for sure.

 

Might be because promoters know that fans flock to big races like sprints and late models. That's like saying how come a high varsity football game gets 1000 fans and yet the jv games get 100 fans. Fans arent interested in the lower divisions most of the time.

[Chrome Horn]

 

Might be because promoters know that fans flock to big races like sprints and late models. That's like saying how come a high varsity football game gets 1000 fans and yet the jv games get 100 fans. Fans arent interested in the lower divisions most of the time.

 

Yep, that's exactly the problem. Morons like yourself think that the only racing that matters is Sprints or Late Models. The Ed Laboon race will be better then 80% of the late model races you can see at lernerville. You clowns on here get off watching 12 late models where only 3 can legit win hold it wide open on the cushion and think that is the greatest thing you ever saw.