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[Crusty1]

Scruffy there isn't even much negativity , just a bunch of people surprised that no cars showed up for a very good pay off . Maybe the guys who don't show up are afraid of the very real possibility of dying if you wreck going that fast in one of those cars ....

I think you hit the nail on head - the track is real fast and it's hard on your body and equipment.

Edited by Crusty1, 31 August 2014 - 07:42 AM.

[Racefan68x]

Adam Kekich's twitter post gives a little insight into the situation.

https://mobile.twitt...842910156566528

[The Legend]

Hmmmmm sounds just about like what I said to begin with . 300 to start isn't going to make guys race when their engine is ready for a 9k rebuild and the 300 probably barely covers a pit pass and a right rear tire. Nether will 5 or 6 or 7 to start. If they don't have the money to race the car they still won't be there. The track can not pay enough money for guys to afford to race their car with the types of crowds tracks around here draw. Lernerville seems to be the only track that draws a crowd .

[Racefan68x]

The race for the lead was a blast to watch, and there was some good racing a few spots back. I really didn't miss the extra cars that didn't show.

Actually, almost every feature was very close. Johnson and Baker in the Super Lates running just inches from each other for the lead most of the race. The last 10 laps of the Crates had Lamb, Schirnhofer, and Dellinger battling hard for the win, only a car length apart.

I was very glad to see the stocks get about 15 cars. That's the highest count I've seen for a regular race there in a while. They too had a great race with Robertson chasing down Kocuba, with Kocuba winning by a car length.

The amateur stocks and Young Guns had way more cars than they used to, and both had close finishes. The Young Guns had the two front runners swapping the lead in a pretty entertaining race.

[The Legend]

Ok so 10 cars per class is considered good now ...

[George Costanza]

Hmmmmm sounds just about like what I said to begin with . 300 to start isn't going to make guys race when their engine is ready for a 9k rebuild and the 300 probably barely covers a pit pass and a right rear tire. Nether will 5 or 6 or 7 to start. If they don't have the money to race the car they still won't be there. The track can not pay enough money for guys to afford to race their car with the types of crowds tracks around here draw. Lernerville seems to be the only track that draws a crowd .

 

That's weird, if you you check some topics on here the place is about to go out of business....must be something to that not running 5-6 classes, with 1 headliner.

[Rusty_Nuts]

Throw in the $35 admission fee. Assume the sprint guys bring 3-4 family and friends for crew. $50 in methanol. Cost of fuel to get there. $300 barely covers that total. Add in the risk of racing there and the ability to maybe make an extra of $50 bucks isn't worth it for most teams. They need to pay money to attract the drivers. Lets be real here, $2000 for sprints isn't that good. Then the Mileys rape everyone at the gate. They deserve the loss of fans and cars at this point. They are their own worst enemy

[The Legend]

Rusty there is no doubt past actions are the cause of poor car and fan counts now but they could have paid eastern pa purses and still would have only gotten another car or 2

[flash49]

Actually, there was a pretty good crowd last night.  $2,000 for a regular area Sprint show isn't that bad, they only ran 20 laps.   Racing is still one of the best sporting bargains in the area, compared to all the professional venues.

[The Legend]

Flash that's great news , the stands were packed , the racing was spectacular all over the track and it's by far the best value in town !!! I'm glad to hear everything went so well ... Do you have the name of the store where I can buy those rose colored lenses you wear ????

[Sparkler]

Actually, there was a pretty good crowd last night.  $2,000 for a regular area Sprint show isn't that bad, they only ran 20 laps.   Racing is still one of the best sporting bargains in the area, compared to all the professional venues.

 

Atleast at professional venues you KNOW what your getting and get to see PROFESSIONALS. Race tracks you never know who will show up as you seen last night the QUALITY of sprint car teams and expect full feilds as posted all over media this week. Lernerville gets 2x more for paying less on a regular night in the past few weeks..wonder why??

Edited by Sparkler, 31 August 2014 - 01:11 PM.

[dirtstudent2]

 

Ditto on the crowd.  I was sitting top row down the end and though it was no where near a shoulder to shoulder crowd, the stands are huge for a track and they did have a good crowd there.  

 

As long as they get a good crowd, I would think lower car counts are a plus for track profits because less will be paid out.  I was sitting between two groups of people who both use to race there. One late model from the 80's and the other ran street stock there in the past.  Though they both raced regular cars there, both groups were there to see the sprints and even with just 10 sprints there, all around me enjoyed them and no one felt they were ripped off because of so few entries.  If what you watch is enjoyable, then you enjoy watching and count does not matter.

 

I went and paid my money to watch the woo at Lernerville.  It was my choice to go there instead of the extra hour drive to Attica.  I was glad I went to Lernerville because I got home by 11 and was already falling asleep.  And the track dust was so bad, I may as well been at Mercer.

 

PPMS was a lot more fun to watch then Lernerville Friday.  The disappointment of Lernerville was the racing was boring and I could not take watching till the end, and left with the caution at about 10 to go.  

 

Lernerville was the normal slick track I see every Friday and locals and those who have run there much in the past, running it the way they would do every Friday.  But they got beat bad by those who did not come with a preconceived way of running the track.  

 

Great to see the non locals, turn in accelerate a small amount, roll the corner at a slightly higher speed, not beating their brains out on the ragged edge, and win so convincingly.  

 

I guess  it was worth the money to watch some come to town, do something different and make all the rest of the field look totally bad and out to lunch.  Hope I didn't miss anything in the last ten laps or so, or the last feature, which I figured would look like any other Friday night slick track race there.

 

Lernerville sure is not a fun place to watch a race, with out sprints.  The quality of the front runners was fantastic and they are great at what they do.  There just not fast.  I know I'll never again pay that kind of money to watch a race there, without sprints.  

 

Good racing skill up front, just not very exciting and not a show worth the money.  It's bad enough watching sprints skate around, but late models no.

 

>>>PPMS late models Saturday including the Rush lates, with only a few to watch and without the out of towners, was a much more fun show.

 

Did any tires get torn down and inspected at Lernerville?  Watching a couple of front runner pit buggies head into the pits with Saran wrapped tires, made me think I was at a kart race. 

 

 What made me think to ask, was before the late's both crates and supers went out at PPMS and into a couple of laps, the chemical odor in the wind started me to coughing.  I figure the answer will be "tires got tested" and no crate or super was found to have prep'ed tires.  So I'll not ask, except to ask if anyone else there noticed the aroma a couple of times prior to and during the first couple of laps, of a race?  If you did it's sure not nitro you smelled.

 

next, off to Wayne County, should be a very fast track and maybe a record set tonight. 

Edited by dirtstudent2, 31 August 2014 - 01:43 PM.

[Racer17L]

So let me get this straight: if the track is too heavy, equipment gets torn up and drivers shouldn't race. If it's too late in the season and a motor might need rebuilt it's better to stay at home. If $300 doesn't cover the cost of pit entry, fuel and a RR tire it's better to stay at home. Whatever happened racing just to race because you love the sport????? Who is in racing to make money??

[Racer17L]

Rusty- if $20/$35 was "raping" fans for a $2000 to win sprint show and 7 divisions of racing, did Lernerville rape people at $29/$40 for a one division WoO show Friday night? Just want to understand why you feel that way?

[The Legend]

Vince sometimes I find it hard to believe your not a radical leftist . Racing " for the love of the sport " is why local racers race but love doesn't buy race car parts unless it's the kind of " love " you like to show to certain promoters ..... Most dudes aren't willing to show that type of " love " just to race .... So here's a huck quote for you " You can smoke a hog for the love of smoking hog but only because smoking hog is free and you can race for the love of racing but only till the money runs out " think about that and I think you will find those words prophetic lol

[Racer17L]

Jon you're willing to risk $4000 grand just to make the World, which I respect. So why wouldn't a local racer come to a show to race and not expect to have all his costs covered by the "to start" money?

[Racer17L]

I spend $30 to get in, $75 in fuel, and $10 in food the second I walk in. Minimum. And it pays $40 to start. This is on top of the $10k I have in the car and assuming I don't wreck or need tires. So no, I've never looked at it as it doesn't pay enough to start so I'm not going to race.

[The Legend]

Vince they don't have the money !!!!!! Why can't you understand that ????? The typical racer saves up all winter to race all summer and when the money is gone it's gone !!! They don't have a money tree in the back yard. It's the same reason most of the guys around here don't go to
Eldora , for the money an eldora trip would cost they can race 4 or 5 races around here . It's simple economics . Racers have to do what's in their own best interest if they want to continue racing . As for racing a sprint car at ppms I'm sure the economics along with the risk of running those speeds don't add up so the result is 10 cars. What I'm trying to explain to everyone is the track putting up a couple extra bucks isn't going to fix the problem, guys don't need an extra 50 bucks they need an extra 10 grand and tracks can't pay that. I hear what guys are saying if you can't afford to run the woo sprint series then you should just run go carts but if a guy loves racing sprint cars and hates go carts who are you or I to tell him what he should do ??

[Racer17L]

Jon the argument here is the $300 for 16th doesn't cover the cost of racing so they shouldn't come. Obviously if they're out of money they won't be racing, period. But the argument that the tow money should cover ALL costs for local racers or it isn't worth racing is ridiculous.

[The Legend]

Vince that's not the argument !!!!!!! The argument is they got no cars because the teams are out of money for the year !!! Even if the tow money covered expenses they still wouldn't be there !!! I'm busy getting ready for eldora even if it was a grand to start last night I still wouldn't have been there