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[Dickracer99]

The Rules Opened up to much in the Crates and Sportsmans.

There is no reason a Sportsman should be turning a 21 second lap at 105MPH

 

Make Stocks Run Small hard Hoosiers / ARs tires and a 358Ci MAX on Pump Gas at 3000LBS. That will stop some guys from putting absurd money into them and make the Low budget guy have a chance to win.   IF guys knew that they didnt have to drop 25K or more for a winning car maybe they would think about getting into the sport. Hell even guys are putting $5000 Plus into a Hobby Stock motor.   

Edited by Dickracer99, 22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM.

[Skull]

Great discussion and input from you PPMS guys.

My questions are, can the place be saved, and if so, can it/will it be saved by the Miley's? Are they continuing to run the track because they can't get out of the property what they have invested in it?

[Chrome Horn]

Jon, no offense but I got a feeling if you took your great pierce you brag on with your high dollar motor and ran with the crates you still would get smoked every week. As far as the track conditions, why not a good in between where the track is tacky but not 18 second motor blowing tacky where you can run the cushion if you so desire? Vince makes good points, if you made PPMS a slick track like the old days there still would be 10 cars a week. Guys like Baker, Burgoon, Beck etc do not race every week. They might race 2 times a month. This isn't like 1990s when you had a base of 20 cars who would be there every week no matter what.

[The Legend]

I'm done with the cumdumpsters on this topic. It's hilarious how I run a successful business that holds a dominate market share in my field AND has raced multiple times a year since 1997 AND has 2 super lates sitting in the garage AND has ran thousands of laps at the track in question AND has the money to race multiple times a week if I wanted to and somehow the opinions of guys who couldn't afford 3 quarts of oil for my car are more valid that mine ??? On what planet ??? What the fuk does the opinion of someone who doesn't have a lucking or the means or intentions to buy one mean when it
Comes to the topic of attracting more cars ???!! I spelled out how to get more cars and I would bet the vast majority of " actual " racers agree with me. Ask fuking racers why they don't race there !!! I'm telling you and you won't listen ...

[Chrome Horn]

Let's be real here. The racers are their own worst enemies more then anyone else. A class that starts out as an affordable class quickly will skyrocket out of control due to costs. Usually its because if Ricky has the latest and greatest shocks and he is winning, well hell I better go buy those shocks to keep up and rinse and repeat. PPMS has been going in the wrong direction for years. We have already covered the stuff that has led it to it's current state. Making the track slick isn't going to magically make 10 more cars show up a week. Late model car counts are down everywhere. Last week Lernerville only had 16 on opening night. Years ago I remember them needing to run a b main on opening night. The racers can look in the mirror and blame themselves as much as anyone else for what has happened in the sport.

[Racer17L]

Chrome- you nailed it.  I've raced some nights in the emod especially up top on aheavy track (20 second laps on 8' tires) where you could literally feel stuff ready to fall off the car and you could feel your body shaking and teeth rattling.  Those nights are NOT fun!  But a smooth tacky non corn field night that slicks up for the feature where you need to find some virgin dirt up top like Danny said is the best!

[DavyLee2]

You said it Dickracer! there were guys putting $5000 into a hobby stock motor that was to be a 2brl 305 ... But at Pittsburgh it didn't help ! The tire idea is where it was at like you said ! hobby stocks ran 225/ 75/ 15s and then you rotated them to the work van!

The catch is that someone has to call them on it .. Racing rules are like Gun Laws and they all sound good on paper... so I think it ends up being better this way with the weight rules from 2800 to 3200 .. maybe add 3400 for an Engine in the back seat type Stock car I hear tale of .

Now just get someone to weigh them ??? sound good ?

[flash49]

Very good discussion guys, and Legend, your opinion on this topic is no better than the "cumdumpsters" you wish to slander week in and week out.  Get over yourself.  The Super Lates will never make a resurgence at Pittsburgh, regardless of the track conditions, there just aren't enough of them around anymore, and won't be in the foreseeable future.  As someone above said, regardless of how economical a rules package might start out, once one guy starts spending more, so does everyone else.  Florence only had 12 Supers last week and Brownstown averaged 12 Supers the last two weeks.  While I am very sad to see this development in weekly Super Late Model racing, it's today's reality.   The Crates and Sportsmen at PPMS put on a great show, week in and week out, and I'm pretty sure the car counts will increase in the coming months, especially in the Crate division.

Edited by flash49, 22 April 2015 - 03:21 PM.

[Chrome Horn]

For everyone here who swears by a heavy track....I flash you back to last years Red Miley Rumble where Mollick lapped up to 3rd place and only 7 cars finished.  Not exactly my idea of an exciting race! I'm sure the drivers who blew up or had their car torn to hell didn't appreciate that track either. And unfortunately the days of guys building competitive cars in the garage of BP are long gone. You gotta have Johnny Johnson or Ed Ferree money to be competitive in late models. You think a low budget racer like Tony Musolino can complete with Johnny Johnsons wallet? That is really the spirit behind crate racing, to allow guys who want to race but can't complete with millionaires an opportunity. The only way to stop this is to make everyone run the exact same motor and tires, oh wait that is what the crates do!

[Walt Wimer]

Last weeks Late Model car counts:   Lernerville 16, Roaring Knob 17, Bedford 16.

 

The Sprint Cars & big block Modifieds were no better, 16 to 19 at Lernerville & Mercer.

 

The Knob had 28 crates but that was for a RUSH Touring race.  The only other class to break 20 cars was the Sportsman at Lernerville with 20!!

 

The problem is everywhere!!   BTW, Sharon & Stateline are already canceled for this week.

 

GOOD RACING!!!!

 

Walt

[jo73]

Lots of good comments. So know I throw in mine for what it's worth. As for track conditions, everyone has there personal opinion of what they see, what they like, and what they can set there cars up for. I for one think the weeks weather dictates a lot in what your going to have come race night. Why ppms waters the inside like crazy is beyond me. They seem to think it works. Good for them. #1 that doesn't put fans in the seats. #2 many racers chase the best payout, I'm not saying that will bring back full fields. No track has full fields anymore. Some have commented about lernerville, has anyone ever come off turn 2 at lernerville ? I have. They could put in sprinklers and it will be slicker than hell. It is the same with car counts. Everyone has a opinion. Let's add more division s. If crate racing has done anything, it has split fields everywhere. You all have seen what it has done to late model fields, next up modifieds, I believe rush is starting that move. So who is going to suffer from that, big block mods, e-mods or 358 mods. Now a 4th modified class. Somebody better wake up. 2016 sportsman rules at lernerville, crate motors. All these promoters are pushing for crate racing. How many of these sportsman guy's are going to say. Hey, let's buy that used rocket for 15,000 instead of spending 16,000.00 for a new sportsman roller from the local builder super late are dying. They have been pricing themselves out of the local garages and gas stations for years. What's the answer ??? Who the hell knows, it's going to be a bumpy ride. I'm going to sheetz and ask the idiot behind the counter for a oil change...

[whiteboy55]

PPMS has changed the rules to benefit anyone who runs a spec engine, softer RR, spoiler and weight breaks, but they have to make the racetrack benefit them also. a hard track with less grip is the one thing that they can dictate without costing all involved cash. and that benefits every division that races on that track. they obviously want to help low budget teams compete or they would not give the breaks that they do for spec engines . so why was the track tacky until the pittsburgher last year? 

 

the guys who like it tacky probably suck when it's slick, but the guys that are still up front when it's slick will also be fast when the track holds moisture.

 

did anyone hear the motors in the front 4 cars in the sportsmans STOCKS? dry the track up and see what they can do with them hammers then!

 

PPMS if you want to help low budget teams compete and exist , then prep your track accordingly! 

[94.3-RADRACER]

we come down to ppms when the pay is up, and like trying to compete there. the locals are damn good, and I think scares some cars away. but there pay keeps most guys away. it is terrible. love the track, but when it's too fast, it knocks the damn belts off the fan when you hit where the trucks cross the track going into three your carrying the mail so much. rush is trying to get cost down in the shock department, but tires should be hard as rocks. another thing, you don't see a lot of bullring tracks being closed. big ones, yes. people like tight, side by side, close racing. Eldora is the exception, they always have 40+ car fields traveling through. ppms had that years ago, but it has disappeared......

[bhhracing]

I love tyler county racing.

[j20000]

That is one thing that I think needs to change. The payout throughout the field is not good. I finished 10th last year when I raced at Sharon, and it paid more than 4th place at PMS. I'm sure that would help bring cars in, if it's worth your time to come down. You have to finish like 6th or better just to pay for your racing fuel for the night.

Also, I said this on FB, but I also feel that it's our job as racers to help promote the sport and the track. Take your car out to car shows...or yours sponsors businesses, tell people you race with to come watch you race, tell your neighbors. Racing is a spectator sport, we all have to do our part as well.

[03Rocket]

I have ran a late model and if it doesn't pay at least 400 for 10th I can't even think about leaving my house because I can't cover the cost....

[bhhracing]

I feel you Doug, we dont race every week because the payouts are horrible especially when you tear stuff up. 

[bhhracing]

Was it just me that noticed Jared Mileys car over heating on lap 5.. I have never seen a LEGAL crate motor over heat in 5 laps, has anyone else?

[Paul55]

I feel you Doug, we dont race every week because the payouts are horrible especially when you tear stuff up. 

We had one over heat a few times beginning of last year ot ended up being the serpentine belt system we was running. Fixed that and have not had a problem since

[bhhracing]

I'm just saying for being a motor builder you think they would have it figured out and know what parts work. jmo.