drop ump......you guys think to much........
For what? Maybe one or two cars extra some weeks.
Payout for Lernerville
Started by Hotrod98, Aug 20 2017 10:02 PM
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#101
Posted 26 August 2017 - 02:23 PM
For what? Maybe one or two cars extra some weeks.
#102
Posted 26 August 2017 - 02:40 PM
Give crates weight breaks to run with regular lates? Remember when lernerville used to do that with the stocks? Lol
#103
Posted 26 August 2017 - 03:45 PM
drop ump......you guys think to much........
The tracks without UMP in the area really aren't doing any better than Lernerville for cars.
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#104
Posted 26 August 2017 - 03:47 PM
The problem with the weight break is. Back in the day everyone was running big blocks, in all the classes. Yes there were a few sprint guys w big blocks. Funny, but back then you had Mopar with the big wedge motors and of course the hemi. Ford had the 390 @ 460. Chevy was running the big blocks. Even the 6 cylinders were fun to watch as Lou gentile w that 300 ford.
Then 1 day along came a guy out of waterloo, Iowa. His name was Eddie Sanger, he had shown up for the lernerville 100 lap race. With that small block he out handled everyone and it changed a lot of people's view point as far as weight.
To make a crate car lighter to be competitive would cost a ton of money. Lite anything cost money in racing. Maybe it could work with a tire rule. Have the SLM guys run hard right side tires with no modifications allowed. Then let the crate guys have right side options. If you tell the current LM guys that they have to add xxx ammount of weight. I can't see any of them doing it.
Then 1 day along came a guy out of waterloo, Iowa. His name was Eddie Sanger, he had shown up for the lernerville 100 lap race. With that small block he out handled everyone and it changed a lot of people's view point as far as weight.
To make a crate car lighter to be competitive would cost a ton of money. Lite anything cost money in racing. Maybe it could work with a tire rule. Have the SLM guys run hard right side tires with no modifications allowed. Then let the crate guys have right side options. If you tell the current LM guys that they have to add xxx ammount of weight. I can't see any of them doing it.
#105
Posted 26 August 2017 - 08:00 PM
It's easy to spend other people's money. Most of the suggestions many of you make cost money. The new owners are business people, why would you expect they wouldn't run their racetrack like a business. All in all, it was a very good year of racing at Lernerville. I'm not sure what it would take to please some of you folks.
Valid point on spending other peoples' money, but I've already said, that I would be willing to pay another $2 for adult and $1 for senior/student if it went to the purse.
In any business customers cost money. Don't want to spend money, there's an easy way.
Personally, I think that the track surface is a little too good, and not racy enough, but that's a matter of taste.
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My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#106
Posted 27 August 2017 - 08:36 AM
If they drop ump there goes the firecracker the silver cup and many other dirtcar sanctioned races. This is a fact.
#107
Posted 27 August 2017 - 09:08 AM
If they drop ump there goes the firecracker the silver cup and many other dirtcar sanctioned races. This is a fact.
Probably not the Firecracker because they'd just switch the sanction over to Lucas but you're right about the Silver Cup and Lernerville certainly knows where their bread has always been buttered.
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#108
Posted 27 August 2017 - 09:53 AM
Edited by dirtstudent2, 27 August 2017 - 11:04 AM.
#109
Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:06 AM
let's just bring in 10 or so crate cars to fill the field, run around in the back. they make the track too heavy to even give them a chance. heat races would be a cluster f^&%*. how about you just bring in the crates period......the crate lm races there have been 3 times better than any super race......there ya go...
#110
Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:00 PM
You can't mix supers with crates, that's just plain stupid. Think of what would happen on any type of start. If tires are keeping a team away that is an excuse not a reason. You buy tires to race.....and not just 4 per season.
#111
Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:57 PM
You can't mix supers with crates, that's just plain stupid. Think of what would happen on any type of start. If tires are keeping a team away that is an excuse not a reason. You buy tires to race.....and not just 4 per season.
They race supers and crates together in the south sometimes. Crates get 100 lbs and 4 more inches of spoiler.
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#112
Posted 27 August 2017 - 03:01 PM
I've seen them race crates with supers down here. It really is dependent on starting position and track. The top dog crates if they have track position can hold a good slm off. Your average crate car doesn't have a chance. A top dog slm they are just in the way. You can compare it to a v8 powered car and a v6.
#113
Posted 27 August 2017 - 04:15 PM
Go back 65 years or so. In several areas such as New Jersey and the Carolinas, the Modifieds and Sportsman cars ran together. The Modifieds were allowed multiple carbs while the Sportsman just one 2-barrel. The cars body-wise were just the same...all coupes from the 1930s. The Sportsman cars always started ahead of the Modifieds in the main and sometimes a Sportsman could hold off a Modified for the win. Around here it was all Sportsman cars until well after NASCAR was gone and everyone was running OHV V-8s. Then the cars became cut downs, Super-Modifieds and eventually Sprint Cars.
#114
Posted 27 August 2017 - 05:12 PM
I don't buy that if they don't stick with UMP the WoO sanction goes away. The WoO rims at a lot of tracks that aren't UMP sanctioned. The sprint cars would still be under the same rules as Woo.
#115
Posted 27 August 2017 - 05:51 PM
let's just bring in 10 or so crate cars to fill the field, run around in the back. they make the track too heavy to even give them a chance. heat races would be a cluster f^&%*. how about you just bring in the crates period......the crate lm races there have been 3 times better than any super race......there ya go...
How about an even better solution. Take every crate motor ever built to the scrap yard, put racing motors in the cars and go friggen racing. Any car big enough to hold a crate motor is too heavy for the motor to power without making the car unsafe, and any car small enough to be safe and light enough for a crate motor is too small to stuff it in. If it were about keeping costs down the tracks/series could reduce tire width and let the car owners spend as much or as little as they want on motors. It's not about car costs it's about payolla from someplace. I hope the kickback money is enough to keep the tracks open without fans. Nobody pays to see crates.
Crates races are filler at best. I'll go to a lawn tractor race if the racing is good, but I wouldn't pay $1 to watch a crate show, because I've never seen $1 worth of racing in one.
...and yes that ties into paying purses, because if you don't have spectators, all you can do is pay the drivers back some of the money they spent to enter the race.
Edited by FanJim24, 27 August 2017 - 06:03 PM.
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My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#116
Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:00 PM
How about an even better solution. Take every crate motor ever built to the scrap yard, put racing motors in the cars and go friggen racing. Any car big enough to hold a crate motor is too heavy for the motor to power without making the car unsafe, and any car small enough to be safe and light enough for a crate motor is too small to stuff it in. If it were about keeping costs down the tracks/series could reduce tire width and let the car owners spend as much or as little as they want on motors. It's not about car costs it's about payolla from someplace. I hope the kickback money is enough to keep the tracks open without fans. Nobody pays to see crates.
Crates races are filler at best. I'll go to a lawn tractor race if the racing is good, but I wouldn't pay $1 to watch a crate show, because I've never seen $1 worth of racing in one.
...and yes that ties into paying purses, because if you don't have spectators, all you can do is pay the drivers back some of the money they spent to enter the race.
you sir are an idiot, congrats
#117
Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:09 PM
you sir are an idiot, congrats
I just might be.
Edited by FanJim24, 27 August 2017 - 07:10 PM.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#118
Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:29 PM
to not like crates is fine but to say they never have good races is just idiotic.
#119
Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:41 PM
to not like crates is fine but to say they never have good races is just idiotic.
I don't remember saying they never have a good race. I've never seen one that was all that good. Actually, that's incorrect. Friday's stock race was good.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#120
Posted 27 August 2017 - 08:08 PM
If lernerville dropped ump and the WoO said we won't be there for the Don Martin classic I betcha the pits would be full of Tony Stewart's all stars. And if the dates were the same I betcha a few outlaws would be there too. In fact it mite be beneficial. For that kind of pay out I think you would see guys like Bryan reed, Bobby Allens team, haudenshields, kinser, Rico and more.
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