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[blue by you]

That's exactly what they do. Move in, muscle out and destroy. Ask Bob Lipinsky, Rob Shook, and Ryan Moyer about that. Go watch a "Pro Stock" "race" at Lernerville. Rush took the raciest class at Lernerville and turned it into a snooze fest where one guy passes everyone, and the race is over by lap 5. 

your absolulty right. all that was was a money grab for rush.

[dirtstudent2]

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Edited by dirtstudent2, 21 March 2018 - 09:53 AM.

[DavyLee2]

Kick a Sportsman guy who runs with a Crate motor against " open " Sportsman: Add 100 lbs to his car ! #2900 not #2800

Kick a guy who runs Crates at Lernerville and beats " Crates " and " open" on the same night !! : Tell him he wont run an open race when he runs with the fancy " rush" Sticker ( BECAUSE WE SAVE YOU MONEY !! ) Unless you buy TWO CARS !

Bottom line .... That smells Really Nasty!!

 So not only are the forces kicking a guy with a ' Crate" priced 350 motor that wasn't purchased from the government Monopoly Motors Dealer by adding 100 lbs to his car..................

  Kick the Superstar of Government motors monopoly Racing by not letting him make an Appearance against " open " motor cars he has raced several times UNLESS HE HAS TWO CARS !!?? 

 Really Vince ??

Its obvious ! People on here know that crates and Open can race together in the Sportsman class

Its obvious ! Like the guy above said ... Move in Muscle out and force people to buy government Motors !

Just remember ... There are many people that will flat out never buy one of those motors in the " Crate" !

the wave of the future ?? REVERSE THE PAST 30 years !!

 That is the wave of the future!

[Racer17L]

Davey not sure why you are calling me out for stating Penn Ohio rules that several tracks are running or for the Rush procedures for this race? Do you want a 430 open motor running against a 604 on a tacky track in early May? What would that accomplish? I also drove the 18 a couple times with a 604 and lead half a feature until the fast open motor cars caught me in a caution free event last year and also ran it at the Pittsburgher on Friday night after it rained and track record after record was set. Think that was fun with a 604 at a Penn Ohio event? And like I wanted to add a 100# to a car I most likely will drive sometime this year? Cmon man.

[FanJim24]

Look, I didn't start out hating Rush or crate racing. I wanted to really like it. The crate mods sounds like a great idea on paper. Mechanically identical cars that you can adjust/gear to the driver/track should be a drivers' division, but the motors are too underpowered and sluggish for it to work, and Vicki wants to control the outcome of the races. The stock division is just a total failure as far as raciness. Adding sprints is just empire building and the final proof that it was never about racing. 

[FanJim24]

^ As far as that applies to Pittsburgh. Unless I'm missing something they don't have a single division that will carry the front gate. Ask the Gardinas about trying to run a track on back-gate and the drivers' families. I was actually planning on trying to make it to Pittsburgh this year, but if Rush is going to be their top division there's really no point. 

[bhhracing]

I'm with you jim. Looks like I'll be finding something else to do on Saturday nights and just save my money for one of the big late model shows are in town.

[Chrome Horn]

^ As far as that applies to Pittsburgh. Unless I'm missing something they don't have a single division that will carry the front gate. Ask the Gardinas about trying to run a track on back-gate and the drivers' families. I was actually planning on trying to make it to Pittsburgh this year, but if Rush is going to be their top division there's really no point. 

 

should have came last year. I'm sure you would have soiled yourself watching 5 late models race, remember as JO says he goes to see the speed. So cars going 120 no passing should suit you idiots well.

[jo73]

I made it up for 6 races at lernerville last year. The sportsman racing used to be some of the best of the night. Fast forward to 2017 and it was horrible. Sure, the first couple laps, it was ok. Hell after that it was a dam snooze fest. Someone, anyone, please tell me where did you see any racing ? There domination of racing is not good. From the paying fans perspective, these lower classes are not what people want to see. A stand alone show with the crate lates, and they put on a decent show, can barely pull fan support.

[Racer17L]

I have nothing to do with Rush. But in the last year tracks continued to close. PPMS had 5-7 SLM. Lernerville had 9-11 most nights. Guys are dropping out of the sport every year. So now PPMS has a chance to have 20-24 Crate Lates weekly (some of which put up faster times than said 5-7 SLM on slick nights) and Lernerville has 20 ish stocks and this is a BAD thing in racing? Would you rather watch the tracks close or keep drivers in the sport? And if you think the track survives off the front gate for weekly shows you are mistaken. Tracks need cars to survive and keeping guys from retiring by giving them cost friendly options is the only way to do it. Its not 1975 anymore.

Local SLM guys still have the option to travel and support local series (Jared Miley).

Local open stock guys still have the option to travel and support the Penn Ohio Series.

Rush Mods have replaced emods or supplemented 2 barrel mods at the northern tracks.

How is any of this bad for the survival of racing?

If you dont think the sport is dying, let me say:
Challenger, Latrobe, Mercer, Hickory, Motordrome, I79, WVMS, Pennsboro, 250, and whatever is going on at the Knob.

Me personally, Im thankful I have boring Crate racing at PPMS versus remembering the good times i USED to have there.

[sicario]

Rush mods? Rush mods run at sharon weekly and have their tour. Pro mods run at stateline and now mckean as well, that's it and frankly they should dissapear. I have no problem with rush mods because 358's are completely dead here and that class actually somewhat keeps northeast modified racing alive. As far as LM's, the counts at lernerville and PPMS last year were bad but Thunder mountain, stateline, and eriez were far better. Does that have something to do with crate lates for the latter two of those? Idk. Also, stock car counts have been just fine at 7, sharon, & eriez before and since rush stocks. However, Sharon was getting 50+ stocks 10 years ago, tri city was the same way in the early 2000's. It is dwindling and as i've said before having so many classes pulling from the same pot of drivers doesn't help counts per class obviously.

Edited by sicario, 22 March 2018 - 07:40 PM.

[old man d]

Vince I will agree the Rush LM at PPMS put on a good show and car counts are getting better. I can only speak of myself on Lernerville, I have stopped going there after attending 40 plus years. Sorry, but if Lernerville would allow both crate and opens to race together in the stocks the racing will be better and car counts would be better also.

[Chrome Horn]

I have nothing to do with Rush. But in the last year tracks continued to close. PPMS had 5-7 SLM. Lernerville had 9-11 most nights. Guys are dropping out of the sport every year. So now PPMS has a chance to have 20-24 Crate Lates weekly (some of which put up faster times than said 5-7 SLM on slick nights) and Lernerville has 20 ish stocks and this is a BAD thing in racing? Would you rather watch the tracks close or keep drivers in the sport? And if you think the track survives off the front gate for weekly shows you are mistaken. Tracks need cars to survive and keeping guys from retiring by giving them cost friendly options is the only way to do it. Its not 1975 anymore.

Local SLM guys still have the option to travel and support local series (Jared Miley).

Local open stock guys still have the option to travel and support the Penn Ohio Series.

Rush Mods have replaced emods or supplemented 2 barrel mods at the northern tracks.

How is any of this bad for the survival of racing?

If you dont think the sport is dying, let me say:
Challenger, Latrobe, Mercer, Hickory, Motordrome, I79, WVMS, Pennsboro, 250, and whatever is going on at the Knob.

Me personally, Im thankful I have boring Crate racing at PPMS versus remembering the good times i USED to have there.

 

This post makes too much sense for this place. Like I said before, the best post I ever read when was JO said he didn't like crates because they weren't as fast as supers. He said he goes for the speed which that statement might go down as one of the dumbest things ever said on here and that says alot considering most of the stuff on here is pure bs.

[BUTTBEAK]

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YEAH...what he said!

 

[Racer17L]

Old man D and sicario- I completely agree that both Crate and Open motors should have survived at Lernerville. But on the business side they took a gamble that guys would conform and I assume the money that came from Rush was worth the risk. They were right.

Like you said if you look at the car counts at Tri City and actually Mercer little guys back in say 2001 you had 50-80 cars at big events. Those days are gone. I still think the more options you give guys to race the better off the sport is.

[blue by you]

Kick a Sportsman guy who runs with a Crate motor against " open " Sportsman: Add 100 lbs to his car ! #2900 not #2800

Kick a guy who runs Crates at Lernerville and beats " Crates " and " open" on the same night !! : Tell him he wont run an open race when he runs with the fancy " rush" Sticker ( BECAUSE WE SAVE YOU MONEY !! ) Unless you buy TWO CARS !

Bottom line .... That smells Really Nasty!!

 So not only are the forces kicking a guy with a ' Crate" priced 350 motor that wasn't purchased from the government Monopoly Motors Dealer by adding 100 lbs to his car..................

  Kick the Superstar of Government motors monopoly Racing by not letting him make an Appearance against " open " motor cars he has raced several times UNLESS HE HAS TWO CARS !!?? 

 Really Vince ??

Its obvious ! People on here know that crates and Open can race together in the Sportsman class

Its obvious ! Like the guy above said ... Move in Muscle out and force people to buy government Motors !

Just remember ... There are many people that will flat out never buy one of those motors in the " Crate" !

the wave of the future ?? REVERSE THE PAST 30 years !!

 That is the wave of the future!

wow man!!...you want to kick everybody.

[DavyLee2]

Didn’t mean to call you out Vince !
Just wanted to hear your opinion
You run the best race of combined motors in history!
The Crate is the low cost option to open ! That is the point we were told !
Now the forces are forcing people into a one or the other box
Ok the open motors caught you on a tacky track .
That’s the risk for the cheap motor reward .. IMO that’s what crates were made for
And from July to October .. that 15000 dollar motor ain’t worth shit at Pittsburgh!

[username@gatekeeper]

lets settle this on the track<think spring with high octane in the air>

[DirtxxxRacing]

I have nothing to do with Rush. But in the last year tracks continued to close. PPMS had 5-7 SLM. Lernerville had 9-11 most nights. Guys are dropping out of the sport every year. So now PPMS has a chance to have 20-24 Crate Lates weekly (some of which put up faster times than said 5-7 SLM on slick nights) and Lernerville has 20 ish stocks and this is a BAD thing in racing? Would you rather watch the tracks close or keep drivers in the sport? And if you think the track survives off the front gate for weekly shows you are mistaken. Tracks need cars to survive and keeping guys from retiring by giving them cost friendly options is the only way to do it. Its not 1975 anymore.

Local SLM guys still have the option to travel and support local series (Jared Miley).

Local open stock guys still have the option to travel and support the Penn Ohio Series.

Rush Mods have replaced emods or supplemented 2 barrel mods at the northern tracks.

How is any of this bad for the survival of racing?

If you dont think the sport is dying, let me say:
Challenger, Latrobe, Mercer, Hickory, Motordrome, I79, WVMS, Pennsboro, 250, and whatever is going on at the Knob.

Me personally, Im thankful I have boring Crate racing at PPMS versus remembering the good times i USED to have there.

 

 

Wow, someone actually saying something intelligent on here?  Nice post!  As a side note, as of now, 250 is open for 2018, but that was the case last year as well, and we see what happened there.

[jo73]

Horn, If your referring to me about going to see the speed, a I don't think so. speed has nothing to do with it. If promotors could come up with a unified set of rules, yea that's hilarious, were guys could build there motor of choice. I think the racing would be a lot better. See the problem is, some of these guys racing today probably don't have a clue on what pcs. to assemble for a motor. The discussion of crate racing versus open racing will never go away. Vince is right the old days are long gone and there never coming back. I've been at Lernerville since 1968. Racing weekly on a local level is dying and it's a slow painful death that guys like me hate to see. Western pa. has lost many great facilities over the years. Why ppms stays open is beyond me. I come up for specials or if business brings me back up. The weekly racing, here in the south, is horrible. I think some of the guys on here, including me, just want it to be like it used to be. Well, time moves on, Some missed the bus.