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[BaconBits]

Fwig, on 15 Aug 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

Is your business name on your race car?

Yes, a decal advertising his business is on the car.

[snooky]

Bottom line in the survival of the Fittest world of capitalism the strong survive. Hummingbird and Marion Center are still standing. I always thought the racing on that track was pretty poor. I was excited to hear Jeff was planning to change tracks layout but he never gomt that far.

[The Legend]

Fwig yes the name is on there but no I don't claim it as a deduction of any type.

[Radical]

deathpunch... There's more to consider than just the purse too. Take into account paying employees - maybe they all worked for free since this was a benefit, but that's not the case any other night - then also figure insurance, grounds and equipment upkeep/maintenance, fuel, utilities, etc. And that doesn't even make a payment on the property itself.

[deathpunch]

deathpunch... There's more to consider than just the purse too. Take into account paying employees - maybe they all worked for free since this was a benefit, but that's not the case any other night - then also figure insurance, grounds and equipment upkeep/maintenance, fuel, utilities, etc. And that doesn't even make a payment on the property itself.

I agree 200% I'm just adding to my point if amp wouldn't have pissed off so many people the car counts would have been a lot more... more cars mean more money

[Toolbox3]

The whole problem was trying to combine steel and alum block together adding weight to guys that run alum. Then cut the purse 2 weeks into the program, competing with 2 other tracks on the same night? What do you think the outcome was Gona be????????? It was only time till meltdown!

[race ace]

I have read everypost on this subject and there seems to be a lot of different views on this subject but in the end jeff took his toys and went home , no banquet, no points money, no points champions ,no money back for the 88 spots at 100 dollars a piece on the hillside just pack up and go home .now since he lost money on every single race he EVER had there he wants to come back next year and run specials only hmmmmm.who does he think is going to come there, the people he just f'ed over ?you betcha .now comes stump time where i get up on the stump and do some preaching so sit down jr.tell me how changing the rules to benifit a few cars did not hurt anyone how letting guys with 30 thousand dollar street stocks did not drive anyone away , if you were going to build a 30 thousand dollar car you could have built a pretty nice late model and went after Bloomquist not some poor dirt farmer from nowhere pa. go beat someone and make a name for yourself . now from what i heard is the checks were bouncing all over the place because there was 2 bank accounts and one did not have any money put into it ,now who's fault that is i don't know, one was for drivers and one was for track expenses .making a guy add 100 to a latemodel was stupid also why not just give the steelblock guys a weight break . cutting the purse after one week made guys go somewhere else also. i dont know  what the answer is i thought i did until i went to marion center last night , the burgers are terrible and the shat house makes you almost puke the seat boards suck the track was dusty the lighting was terrible even with the portable lights and the payout is as bad as it was in the 70's BUT the racing was  some of the best i have ever seen street stocks was  right down to the wire and the strictly stocks (21 of them )was just as good and also an action packed latemodel race the potts family have  it figured out somehow . i hope the rumors i have heard are true and someone is looking at a.m p. because it is so close to being a good track with a  little more work just  tweak a few of the rules and listen calmly to the drivers who are trying to tell you something .oh by the way  while i am on the streetstock stump these cars back in the Hiddenvalley days were called  super stocks anyone remember a guy called Ron greathouse or Kevin lindemuth or Darryl Whetstone  or  Bill Layfield they were Super stock drivers.pure stock and street stock were lower classes  and there were also modifieds and latemodels and there was also 120 cars in the pits every weekend .good racing to you all.

[The Legend]

Death punch more cars bring in more money but also higher payouts. As far as people reserving spots do you want a pro rated discount ??? You got those spots for every night they did race. What if it rained these next 3 weeks ... Would you still get your pro rated refund ??? The dude cut the purse to reflect the money the track was generating why is that hard to understand ?? When he originally layed out the purse structure it was based on a guess of the revenue the track would generate , clearly revenue wasn't up to expectations so adjustments had to be made. The guy tried his best and blew a bunch of his personal wealth doing so , he should be applauded not demonized

[Toolbox3]

No Jeff's payout was to get the cars from the bird and the center! He chose to go up against two tracks on the same night in a short distance of each other. The pay out wasn't enough to draw in the cars and fans!!!! So on that note he should have choose a different night. Pi$$ poor planning on Jeff's choice!!!!!!!!!

[CHEVY1A]

have read everypost on this subject and there seems to be a lot of different views on this subject but in the end jeff took his toys and went home , no banquet, no points money, no points champions ,no money back for the 88 spots at 100 dollars a piece on the hillside just pack up and go home .now since he lost money on every single race he EVER had there he wants to come back next year and run specials only hmmmmm.who does he think is going to come there, the people he just f'ed over ?you betcha .now comes stump time where i get up on the stump and do some preaching so sit down jr.tell me how changing the rules to benifit a few cars did not hurt anyone how letting guys with 30 thousand dollar street stocks did not drive anyone away , if you were going to build a 30 thousand dollar car you could have built a pretty nice late model and went after Bloomquist not some poor dirt farmer from nowhere pa. go beat someone and make a name for yourself . now from what i heard is the checks were bouncing all over the place because there was 2 bank accounts and one did not have any money put into it ,now who's fault that is i don't know, one was for drivers and one was for track expenses .making a guy add 100 to a latemodel was stupid also why not just give the steelblock guys a weight break . cutting the purse after one week made guys go somewhere else also. i dont know  what the answer is i thought i did until i went to marion center last night , the burgers are terrible and the shat house makes you almost puke the seat boards suck the track was dusty the lighting was terrible even with the portable lights and the payout is as bad as it was in the 70's BUT the racing was  some of the best i have ever seen street stocks was  right down to the wire and the strictly stocks (21 of them )was just as good and also an action packed latemodel race the potts family have  it figured out somehow . i hope the rumors i have heard are true and someone is looking at a.m p. because it is so close to being a good track with a  little more work just  tweak a few of the rules and listen calmly to the drivers who are trying to tell you something .oh by the way  while i am on the streetstock stump these cars back in the Hiddenvalley days were called  super stocks anyone remember a guy called Ron greathouse or Kevin lindemuth or Darryl Whetstone  or  Bill Layfield they were Super stock drivers.pure stock and street stock were lower classes  and there were also modifieds and latemodels and there was also 120 cars in the pits every weekend .good racing to you all.

 

Yoy guys need to get over it. Marion center and Hummingbird both have what this place never had, stable ongoing management. This place gets a worse reputation ever time someone new takes it over. You really think someone else taking control of it is going to make things better? 

Edited by CHEVY1A, 17 August 2014 - 04:54 PM.

[snooky]

I heard Jeff Anrulonis former Bradford owner is interested..... LOL!

[CHEVY1A]

I heard Jeff Anrulonis former Bradford owner is interested..... LOL!

It would be a good place to put one of his radio towers lol

[Racefan68x]

I have read everypost on this subject and there seems to be a lot of different views on this subject but in the end jeff took his toys and went home , no banquet, no points money, no points champions ,no money back for the 88 spots at 100 dollars a piece on the hillside just pack up and go home .now since he lost money on every single race he EVER had there he wants to come back next year and run specials only hmmmmm.who does he think is going to come there, the people he just f'ed over ?you betcha .now comes stump time where i get up on the stump and do some preaching so sit down jr.tell me how changing the rules to benifit a few cars did not hurt anyone how letting guys with 30 thousand dollar street stocks did not drive anyone away , if you were going to build a 30 thousand dollar car you could have built a pretty nice late model and went after Bloomquist not some poor dirt farmer from nowhere pa. go beat someone and make a name for yourself . now from what i heard is the checks were bouncing all over the place because there was 2 bank accounts and one did not have any money put into it ,now who's fault that is i don't know, one was for drivers and one was for track expenses .making a guy add 100 to a latemodel was stupid also why not just give the steelblock guys a weight break . cutting the purse after one week made guys go somewhere else also. i dont know  what the answer is i thought i did until i went to marion center last night , the burgers are terrible and the shat house makes you almost puke the seat boards suck the track was dusty the lighting was terrible even with the portable lights and the payout is as bad as it was in the 70's BUT the racing was  some of the best i have ever seen street stocks was  right down to the wire and the strictly stocks (21 of them )was just as good and also an action packed latemodel race the potts family have  it figured out somehow . i hope the rumors i have heard are true and someone is looking at a.m p. because it is so close to being a good track with a  little more work just  tweak a few of the rules and listen calmly to the drivers who are trying to tell you something .oh by the way  while i am on the streetstock stump these cars back in the Hiddenvalley days were called  super stocks anyone remember a guy called Ron greathouse or Kevin lindemuth or Darryl Whetstone  or  Bill Layfield they were Super stock drivers.pure stock and street stock were lower classes  and there were also modifieds and latemodels and there was also 120 cars in the pits every weekend .good racing to you all.

ok race, since you are in a preaching mood i have a question for you.now that amp is closed where will you go racing? you ripped yp hummingbird every chance you had. now you went to marioncenter and just ripped them up about the place and you sat on the hill at amp and bitched about it.which track will you go to? i am just curious why you would go to a track that you constantly bitch about. i am not trying to start anything just curious for an answer, you told me you would not go back to hummingbird so where will you go now that you do not like the bird or marioncenter whats the answer buddy?

[714d]

they were Super stock drivers.pure stock and street stock were lower classes 

So..... If they just change the name of the class to super stock you will quit bitching about how expensive they are? That's what they are. I agree, but it's ok to call it street stock as long as you also have pure stocks for those who want a cheaper class. I've seen them called pro stock, street stock, super stock, cadet, etc. what difference does that make?

[Walt Wimer]

714d..........That's why I just call them "Stock Cars" for my Cavalcade points. There about as many different names for the same basic class as there are sets of rules.   This class has more problem with different specs and names than any class run in western PA, but the promoters will never sit down and come up with one standard set of rules that covers all tracks.

 

Walt 

[race ace]

cutting my car up for scrap, it pays more one more truckload and it is all gone  we used the wheels to prop up the trailer down the road in the trailer court .and the body was worth  25 cents a pound .i never ripped on hummingbird and  for damn sure never ripped on louie because when he is gone you will have what clearfield has now , since nobody including a few of the people i do like cant read i will type this slowly ................there is NO purestocks anymore a purestock WAS a car pulled from  a junkyard and had a stock bore engine and streetable tires on stock rims  with a stock carb and no headers , no engine setback and all suspension in the stock location with stock shocks what you have in the pure stock class now is the old hiddenvalley /hummingbird  what was called streetstocks now listen close here is where this gets complicated ................(.space for dramatic effect.)...............AMP purestocks were one rule away from being the original hidden valley /hummingbird streetstocks what is that rule ??????it was 8 inch wheel and ten inch tires . the old  streetstocks were allowed to run a 10 inch wheel and a ten inch tire  see where this is going now why not open this one rule up and if a guy on 8 inch rims wins the feature give him a bonus  say a 100 dollar bounty ? there are 21 strictly stocks running at marion center for pennies .now the class you guys are calling streetstocks should be called super stocks and run with no rules except for safety stuff ...............unlimited engine size ...three link ..... turbo's  and  headers coming out of the hood like a demo derby car make them like a mad max car.  oh man i cant wait till that lottery hits my numbers . marion center chased one car away because other people thought he was cheating and their car count went up quite a bit .guys were letting their cars sit because they knew they could not catch him and that is what happened  at amp  mess the rules up with one stupid rule and guys just go away.ok done !!!!!

[snooky]

SS has been outta control and is getting worse. AMPs pures were a joke... Pretty close to SS's. The birds pure stock rules are most sensible in area but they need to keep teching IMO. Lots of messing with suspension mounting points. a pure stock should NOT have altered and adjustable mounting points.

[ProDirt]

SS has been outta control and is getting worse. AMPs pures were a joke... Pretty close to SS's. The birds pure stock rules are most sensible in area but they need to keep teching IMO. Lots of messing with suspension mounting points. a pure stock should NOT have altered and adjustable mounting points.

If you guys want to mess around with adjustable suspension systems , horsepower with unlimited cubic inch and wide tires ........ Did you ever hear of a class called late model ?

Today's street stocks are late models without the pay. Why would anyone invest $30,000 in a street stock to race for half the pay. It's a dying class that's running out of " stock " parts to use, that's why tracks are allowing the use of more racing parts. Make the street stock class a tube chassis and call it limited late.....one of the only good ideas AMP had. Have a pure stock.....entry level class......and keep it just that STOCK .

[DavyLee2]

that argument that there are not parts around anymore .. there are ! just go in any backyard in any rural or city block .. knock on the door and say ill give you 300 for that car and then they say 350 maybe 500. Thanks . the stock class is the best class ever invented ! when you feel like spending 30 K on a latemodel and can lose 15 k in one wreck . your argument doesnt hold water !  knock on another door and pick up a new frame for 300 bucks and be racing next spring ! not even close! when you wreck a latemodel its 10 times a Street stock price to repair .. that is the difference

Amp may have had a good idea having a unique class  i will agree . That would be the only succes story of competing against two other tracks in the region on the same night  it seems .

I met Jerry Delile who owns a couple Sprints that Way and works in coal . Hope he gets to works as much as he wants to and get ready for Lernerville next year ! Go get em !

Edited by DavyLee2, 18 August 2014 - 10:23 PM.

[thebigdueceduece]

IMO amp did what they had too to the pure stocks to pull cars from other closing tracks. If you remember they weren't bringing many of those in. Hummingbird was there main competitor and they were getting beat. I think they split car counts in everything else... I still believe that the shape of the track is not condusive to good racing. Racing is racing regardless and you'll draw fans...but to bring in a consistent crowd I think you need those 2...3 wide racing lanes. Hummingbird has that. And has produced some incredible finishes this year in ALL classes. Amp is strictly nose to tail...knock em out of your way to pass racing. Its boring to watch and frustrating for fans/drivers/and officials when you have the inconsistent calls on who spun who, Torn up equipment, and boring racing. All of this is a factor to the downfall. Yes there are other reasons that many have said before...but to make that a REALLY good track...I think it needs widened both in size and racing surface. Yes it will take a lot of money...but I think that's what it would take to make it truely a successfull, self sustaining, long lasting track.