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[ramey36]

I think Rob Hindt talked with the Big 10 SS guys a bit. They would be pretty awesome to have at CNB in 2015 to accompany the Super Cup races. Some of those guys combined with our locals (they are still out there!) and perhaps some Jtown and Motordrome guys would make a full field and a nice night of racing.

Edited by ramey36, 22 November 2014 - 04:04 PM.

[racer111]

I bet there is quite a few of those Big 10 guys, and probably most of them are just over the line...I'd like to talk someone into one of those cars...

[deadpush]

It would be great to see the local PA street stock competitors race each other and the Big 10 guys at CNB.
I wonder if any one driver could be dominate at CNB?

[Ultimate SS Enthusiast]

I remember there being a mix of a few CNB locals, Motordrome/Jennerstown guys, and if I can recall even a couple Big 10 guys that made up a field of 10 or so Street Stocks there in September 2013.  I think it could be done if organized properly.

[Racefan68x]

you guys need to go check out Midvale speedway in ohio. they are running bmains in all the divisions on a weekly basis. they seem to have found the right way to run an ashphalt track. I am sure if the cnb owners call them they could share some ideas. you can not run a track with 10 cars!

[T-440]

That is great that Midvale is having that level of success.  The problem up here, is that there are not very many asphalt cars left in Clearfield and the surrounding areas.  Most of the teams that used to run on the asphalt have either moved on to dirt, or have gotten out of the sport completely.  I don't remember exact car counts, but most nights I was there the last two seasons that they raced the asphalt in the early 2000's, there were less than 15 cars in each class.  The last night they raced, I think they had over 15 late models, and that was the most I had seen there since they quit running the Iceman specials.  Towards the end of that season, they had started to draw a couple cars from other tracks.   I was really suprised to see Ed Dillon and Jeremiah Kuntz still had thier late models, I thought Nathan Russell was the only one in the area these days.   

 

  There are lots of dirt tracks around, compared to what 5 or 6 asphalt tracks in the state.  When a new dirt track opens, or one re-opens, the pool of dirt cars to draw from is far greater than the pool of asphalt cars.  Distance is another issue, it is 100+ miles from Clearfield to any of the other asphalt tracks.  To draw cars from those other area, the payouts have to be high enough to entice the teams to make the trip.  Which causes another issue, because there isn't enough fan support in the Clearfield area to accomodate the higher payouts.   

 

When Clearfield switched to asphalt in the 80's, a lot of the current dirt tracks weren't around.  There was no AMP, Hummingbird, Dog Hollow, and I don't remember if Clinton County was racing back then or not.  So if the race teams in Clearfield wanted to race, they either raced on the asphalt or towed out of the area to another dirt track, and the same with the fans.  It is much different now, when a dirt track closes, there is another one there to take its spot.  AMP is closed, but Thunder Mountain is re-opening. 

 

A couple special races a year is what I see for the future of the asphalt.  I love watching asphalt late models, and while the counts weren't high, the couple late model shows the year they went back to asphalt were pretty good.  I also thought the two super cup shows I was at were good as well.  I don't know what the secret is to gaining fan support, this area is definitly full of dirt track fans. 

[Just Wondering]

Most of the posts on this subject have been positive and accurate as to the future of asphalt racing in this area.

It may be that special shows at CNB are the future of asphalt in the area. One is good  two is better and so on.

Tim Bainey seems to think it Is, maybe that's why he scheduled three Super Cup races so far.

Now we need him or someone to step up and promote a companion race that local racers and fans can support.

I was told that Jeremiah Kuntz and Nathan Russell are planning to run Super Cup at the Pa tracks.

This is because of Tim's promotion of the track and series.

The Big 10 series sounds like a step in the right direction, They will let the Street Stocks in this area run with them.

Edited by Just Wondering, 23 November 2014 - 10:02 PM.

[ramey36]

http://www.big10superstocks.com/

 

These guys even post rules and tech results right on the main page. Wow.

 

And Greg, I've been to Midvale. They put on a great show. I'd agree that taking a few pages out of their book would be beneficial.

 

ramey

[D1RT]

I'm sure it's just wishful thinking but it would be great if they would consider booking the USAC sprints when they are in the area for the Eastern Storm series week.  

[714d]

Even if there were cars left, what are the chances they would still be competitive with new cars? I don't follow asphalt chassis technology, but I couldn't imagine uncovering your 2002 (insert chassis name) late model and bringing it out to run with guys running up-to-date equipment. Street stocks may be ok, but even they have evolved quite a bit in the last 10 years.

[Just Wondering]

714d-  Most of these posts are talking about getting the street stock cars going on a local / regional level as a support division for traveling series.

That is probably the way to go to get some local interest restarted. You have to start somewhere. local cars & fans,

I agree trying to resurrect late model racing using older cars would not work well.

[ramey36]

Street stocks have always been all over the board concerning technology. There are some older cars which would work fine and some new bump stop cars on the cutting edge of technology. The interesting part is a well set up standard car can perform extremely well. And a bump stop car can miss the setup and be mid-pack.

 

Back in the late 90's there were SS cars around here with Cup engineers input that would probably still be plenty fast today.

 

rw

[BaconBits]

The place is a very cool asphalt track. As a fan who enjoys both asphalt and dirt racing, I hope it can work out long term.

[BaconBits]

I'm sure it's just wishful thinking but it would be great if they would consider booking the USAC sprints when they are in the area for the Eastern Storm series week.  

USAC doesn't run sprints on asphalt any more.

Edited by BaconBits, 24 November 2014 - 11:34 AM.

[jmmr]

Rules at Jennerstown and Drome are basically the same for SS. Unification of rules amongst tracks has been an unrealized dream for years at many racers. What happens is that for special events it becomes 'home track' rules - so you end up running Comanches against 970's on tires and big blocks against small blocks without the proper allowances to even the field- who wants to run that way if you know your tires and motor will be inferior. I feel for Jtown and CNB with the car count issue. Jtown might as well close now- they shot themselves in the foot by not paying- or at least addressing the issue w the drivers BUT going on Facebook with a big statement abt next year and people not supporting track w negative comments. Are you kidding me? Pay the money or call the guys you owe and talk to them like an upstanding business- instead if you post on their site abt non pmt they just delete it. There was an issue abt payment from Drome- Mr Melfi got back to me immediately- he didn't ignore it and told me of his plan to resolve it. That meant alot- all year I got my money there as well.

[jmmr]

For Street stocks u could use CRA rules if you gave proper notice.

[Just Wondering]

How about running under the Big 10 rules.

They seem to have a plan that works for tires and pay out.

We need to move forward with what will work and not worry about the track owners that don't pay.

Like you said they've shot themselves in the foot.

What is the best for the racers is where we need to go with this.

Someone with credibility needs to put on a few street stock races on in 2015. 

Maybe Big 10 or Super Cup maybe both.

[deadpush]

What kind of a purse would it take to get street stock teams interested in making the trip to CNB? Any thoughts? What would motivate the Motordrome racers to go to CNB?

[jmmr]

it would cost a Drome guy a minimum of $150.00 to get there and pay for racegas . this would not include costs for admission or registration- the track (just like Jtown has a credibility problem w paying out) most of my expenses would need to be covered to run 'big races'. AND i would have to be payed out that night AND they would need to put up the itinerary in advance- this would include a list of those who have payed to register so I can see if I'm racing against 2 or hopefully 20. I can race the local guys at home without the expenses. Again they would need to consider engine displacement- weight- tires... And how they were going to handle this. If they were usin w.pa as their base- make it similar to Drome with weight and weight% penalties for allowances. I would not allow different tires - Comanches only. And I def would not allow dirt cars unless fully in compliance.

[Just Wondering]

Now's that's a good start.

Anyone else want to race?